Seems a bit apologetic to me. That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? Thanks, Jim. Welcome aboard. is the manual safety a kit you add? That prompted Sig Sauer to issue what it called a voluntary upgrade of the weapon, which included hardware changes to the trigger and striker. The Glock fails on both counts. Yes, even lightly polished the top and bottom to prevent binding. It doesnt matter whether SIG is at fault or not. In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. The fact that it happened to you three times with the same ammo eliminates the gun as the variable, and makes it the ammo. My dad owned one and that is exactly what happened one time when he was using it. Thank yall for your input. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. I realize that this is an older post but I wanted to add that a friend of mine has blown 2 extractors out of his M17. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. Six of those suits were brought by people serving in law enforcement when the gun fired. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. Enough to recall pretty much all of Oklahoma state troopers and reissue a new one. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. Display as a link instead, I think I may know what happened. I have a 2015 born sc that has almost 2k rounds thru it & not one fte has occurred. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. Trying to categorically say Brand X is better than Brand Y! Where is this lightning striking twice? Last year, Sig Sauer settled a class-action lawsuit that alleged design defects in the P320. I still own them all. Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. Brought mine March of 15 as well. With the redesign, you would have to implement a LOT of force to move the trigger backwards. At least the Gorilla is still evolving while the Far Right proved to be an evolutionary dead end, one of natures mistakes. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. Guess it hasnt dawned on them that: 1. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. I was running 165 Xtreme RN plated with 2.7 of VV310. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! Not sure if the FTE is related to the feeding problems people see with certain ammo, but check out this link, it MAY be what you need to see. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. If the latter were to occur, the drop safety would prevent discharge because it would not be pushed up by anything. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. P365 / P365XL Striker Kit This is a factory Sig Sauer striker kit $57.39. I had a case blowout this past saturday with my P320RX of 2019 manufacture that also blew out the extractor. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. If you need a Sig extractor for either a carbon steel or stainless steel slide model, check our parts pages first. three changes to the original design. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. If none of the new extractor parts make a difference, I'll have no choice but to send it back to Sig.thankfully I'm still within the one year warranty period allowed with CPO guns. By I guess none got her the attention she wanted and a national coverage so she went in for the bang. Sig Sauer replaced his barrel with a new one after he sent it to them. So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of. Glocks biggest problem is they havent innovated since 1985. Also some sport pistol at 132. SIG Sauer factory Extractor Pin for the P320. But I can't count the number of guys using n320 and 147s for minimal pf loads. The Sig Sauer P320 Extractor is a Factory OEM Sig Sauer part. Paste as plain text instead, May 25, 2016 in Sig. does your striker release out of battery? Im looking into an aftermarket barrel that at least doesn't have that funnel cut nonsense, just a standard chamfer, for a little more support for my own peace of mind. 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. New Sig factory extractor parts are on their way to replace what I have in the gun. She has the p320 9fs that has been RMR with a delta point. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. Is it? But I am pretty confident they will not be of much support with using steel cased ammo, but it never hurts to ask. Alma Cole was able to hook me up with some backup parts and the Sig shop did sent out replacements, although I had to pay for them. Would you? Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. The tendency is for people to say "I've shot thousands of this load, and nothing has ever happened before." Sig P320 Extractor Problems, www.SigForum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/150601935/m/7630095024?r=7630095024#7630095024. Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? If you aggressively load a too-long mag into the pistol that doesn't hard-stop on the grip frame, this WILL happen. Sig actually states to never use steel casing ammo. Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. Yes. You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. The company has repeatedly denied the P320 is unsafe. Feel free to contact me if you have any problems. Both were sent back to Sig and fixed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. There goes 1/3 of the shooting season. Have you tried a different slide and barrel. Member. The enclosed paper work says they replaced the extractor spring and plunger as well as polish the rear of the slide. Fiocchi worked flawlessly, on the blazer had fte every fifth round or so. My 3 year old 320C started exhibiting fail to extract problems a while back. The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. a. The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. ! while being accompanied by some form of obvious stupidity like putting an unholstered gun in a gym bag with other stuff. Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. Legacy slides will have either an internal extractor or a short external extractor. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. He wanted to see how accurate the gun was, especially after the customer got it back after the voluntary upgrade. He points to it in the video. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. What it likely means is that cops and other law enforcement officers carry and handle their guns far more often than the average Joe or Jane. So does any of this mean theres something wrong with the P320? They wouldnt have adopted it if was. The tendency is for people to say "I've shot thousands of this load, and nothing has ever happened before." Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. This is the first time I have heard of the same happening with the subcompact. in Capitalvania. Same results. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! Time will tell if no. My email address is in my Member Profile. Police Department, was wounded when his P320 duty gun discharged without a trigger pull while he was carrying it in a gym bag wrapped carefully with a cloth. Officer Collette was wounded in his left leg. But SIG Sauer said it has rectified the issue with upgrades, including one made for the U.S. military which court documents, filed as part of one of the lawsuits, show resulted in substantial changes to the weapons internal design. . The baseline P320 has endured some problems. Going to have to feed it some more ammo this weekend to see if the problem happens again. You can feel the point when it binds, or sticks, even when manually operating the action slowly May 2 . The nose of the extractor does appear to be peened slightly, but this may be normal. Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. Whether or not the suits have merit. I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. So I give a ton of credit to Shatner for reading the reality of what it was and in essence, saving it. That's for the update. This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. I've been using 120 bayou .358 dia. The P320s and P365s were junk, plain and simple. PublishedDecember 2, 2022 at 2:44 PM EST. Viewing from the top down, there is a hole in the top of the slide with a roll-pin installed in the hole. If the Ejector is determined to be worn or broken, Sig Sauer recommends it be repaired by: a. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? Good thing you werent serious, thatd be terr..uh.oops. I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND. Add to Cart. Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. P320 Sear Group Housing Assembly. The military has found that the pistol has a tendency to eject live rounds among other issues. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. This is a great way to give your pistol a subtle, custom . So read on till the end! The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. I continue to bet my life on them. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. Look a fanboy. I'll give it a chance to redeeme itself and see how that works out. Sig Sauer Extractor Pin for New P224,P226,P229. Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. If it were a lowered tier manufacturer like a Taurus having allegations made against them, people would run with it without thinking twice. brakes, remember? If its not legal momentum, it would have to be some other mechanism of failure.. Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. The linkage isnt, but the way the striker leg and sear face mate up, the two materials being MIM castings, the small camming action, etc. The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. Sig sculpted the rear of the frame shell to allow your hand a more comfortable, and higher, carry, with an extended beavertail. Then shoot. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. Theres a couple of possibilities. To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. This Extractor is designed to fit perfectly in most standard 9mm Sig P320 models. Yaaay! It alleges that Walter Collette, Jr., a police officer with the Somerville (Mass.) So, I have a new p320 build.-New Sig Frame-New Norsso Slide-New PMM Barrel-New Sig Recoil Spring Assembly-Re-using firing pin, trigger group, extractor/spring out of my well-used P320 X-Five . Please Wait. Thats deflecting from the real issue. Not sure why it wont let me reply to you, but Ill reply to myself in the hope youll get it. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. About $300. Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. In the suit, the deputy suggested that the company issue an "enhanced, unambiguous warning to . While this incident occurred months ago, this erroneous media report is driven by multiple sources, including our competitors, and coincides with the imminent release of other Canadian military and law enforcement tenders, indicating the timing of its release is an attempt to improperly influence the procurements, the statement said. Ran flawlessly. I had another thought last night. I'm hoping this was a fluke due to a really weak casing - if anyone has any other thoughts please share. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? By Sig Sauer Factory P320 Extractor Pin Spring Guide Plus This is a Sig OEM replacement part MSRP: $9.99 $6.60. What I can say is that article reads like a hit piece on the individuals who may or may not of made mistakes with their firearms from someone who worships at the alter of sig. They said for me to get warranty service, I would have to send the entire gun in. Combine this with the complacency that comes with handling a firearm over-and-over again as you holster and unholster a firearm throughout the day, its not surprising that many of these officers are saying it just went off as a negligent discharge can cost them their job if it lead to serious injury or property damage. That focus drifts. They both underwent full testing but while the Sig was the cheaper handgun ($1.50), it also quoted higher costs for magazines and spare parts, boosting the overall cost of the acquisition. Other then that this gun has function without any stoppages. It has not yet responded to the latest legal filing, and didnt respond to a request for comment. Still thinking. Once SIG SAUER receives your P320 pistol, they will apply the upgrades, test it, and then return it to you free of charge. . "The P320 meets and exceeds all U.S. standards for safety, including the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, Inc. (SAAMI), as. It's bad enoughso much case is hanging out beyond the chamber face to headspace just below flush with the hood. Make a gift to NHPR today for your chance to win a trip for 2 to Ireland! I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. Right. My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. (chamber area) and checked for spent shell retention. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. who sells them? If it fails, you're kind of screwed. Folks disagree on brands. But this time, the sound bites used were different. I think he said that they replaced the extractor pin or spring or something, but not the extractor itself. Canadas highly-trained counterterrorism force, JTF-2, is the only military unit with the SIG P320 in its inventory right now. Fundamentally, the bits that the ambulance chaser claims are flawed function exactly the same way as a S&W M&P. The incidents occur outside the forbidden zone, as we disarm before we enter so we stay in assiduous compliance with their nonsensical requirement. No problems since. TACTICALRELOAD-The 4 to 6 week time frame was given to me by customer service rep. If the military was going to go cheap then they should have thrown Taurus into the mix. As for Seals they have their own contract with Glock but can carry anything they want. The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. Both of my P320 carry's developed extraction issues. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! You cannot paste images directly. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! The P320 was known to discharge if dropped on the striker plate at a certain angle. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. how do I get one for my P320? So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. SIG ultimately settled that lawsuit. Were not saying that the suits against GLOCK are any more (or less) substantiated than those against SIG. At this point I would have to say that Taurus is a better handgun. The rear 1/3rd of the case isfreely able to bloat. Limp wristing? The enclosed paper work says they replaced the extractor spring and plunger as well as polish the rear of the slide. There is even someone on youtube who complained about it with two separate pistols. Sig Sauer P320 comes in an exposed hammer version for Military use. It's been my EDC since that time and has been 100% reliable. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. Shoot fast, shoot safe. As far as ships go, Im drawn to the original movie vessels because they look the most, to me, like something youd really see humans build in space in 300 years. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. When I received the gun, it appeared as if it was unfired, with wear apparent on the barrel or other corresponding areas to indicate the gun was even used. P365/P365XL Striker Kit. They have similar vertical sear engagement, but the M&P has more engagement width wise. So, unlike the Serpa holster debate, Im a believer that there is more going on than meets the eye with the P320 and is exactly why I refrained from buying one, why I still wont own one, and why I steer people away from it. My bet would be that someone had a fully loaded gun in a gym bag and a cloth or rag snagged the trigger. Such being the case, there very well may BE in inherent design flaw in the gun; We shouldnt just cast the thought aside as being beyond consideration and insist on blaming the problem on operator error.. The hype leading up to the P365 was pretty intense and the LGS sold a bunch of those. This is the first time I have heard of the same happening with the subcompact. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. He probably had a double until it was over. Newington-based Sig Sauer is facing a new legal complaint from 20 individuals, including law enforcement officers and military veterans, who claim they were injured when the companys pistols fired without a trigger pull. And they would not have done that for no reason at all. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. My friend's 320 rx pictures below, out of battery firing, barrel appears to be short chambered, not enough case supportsee pix belowSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. 1.A rush to market, and as usual the blind greed of the gun companies who no longer test pistols before marketing them think it is cheaper (so the idiots think) to let the public test them. Slowly people are realizing they arent the only ones having issues. A shame but then no one was hurt. They admitted their problem and fixed it. They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldnt find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own. No, it doesnt. Theyre the only product that is not. In that case lighten the recoil spring or bumping up the power should make a difference. 3) If the sear fails, there is the drop safety in the way of the striker. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. By hoping Sig gets taken down for the P320, theyre actually setting up their own pet brand to be the next on the chopping block. Because of this a case that is weakened has the room to fail whereas the same case in a supported chamber most likely would have survived. I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. Ejection problems can usually be traced to extractor problems. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. Good videos, BTW very thorough; and unlike most youtube videos, it provides sensible, level-headed commentary from someone who actually shoots their pistol instead of trying to use it to prove how mall ninja they can be. But were way past the days of major league, internationally known gunmakers turning out complete crap, selling it and the public living with it. My gun just went off! Sigs bid was low because they were still pissed after being beat by Beretta in cost. Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? 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